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Jesse MacBeth update: DD214 located, MacBeth never finished basic training

Posted by Trevor in under other on May 28th, 2006 | View Comments |

As you enjoy your long weekend and hopefully take time to honor America’s fallen heros, past and present, remember that there is a war going on inside America that is just as real as the battles going on daily in Afghanistan and Iraq. The war at home is represented on one side by people who, now that we have deposed an evil dictator, want to second guess his legacy. This, despite his 30 years of murdering and brutally repressing his own population while committing aggressive acts against neighbors. Instead of supporting Americans who are putting their lives on the line to try and make Iraq a place where people can choose their own destinies, some people are doing everything they can to disparage and undermine every attempt to bring Iraqis a better quality of life, more choices and lives free from religious intolerance and extremist motivated violence.

Recently, three men in Baghdad, a Sunni mentor and two Shia students were murdered for wearing shorts. Meanwhile, the anti-war poltroons hold forth idiots like Jesse MacBeth so they can spout lies about massacres that never happened. Here is Jesse’s real “war” record. He never even finished basic training:

The bottom half of the form is just as revealing. Block 19 says “Service Member has not completed first full term of service“. Block 24, as noted earlier, shows his service as “Uncharacterized” which is only given to those who are discharged as trainees. Block 25 is key. It shows he was discharged under the authority of AR 635-200 Chapter 11. That means he was found to be unfit to remain in the Army and was dicharged for the good of the service. Or as many have said, a boot camp washout. We’ve been through the code for discharge in the next block, but the narrative reason for his discharge is found in block 28, which says “Entry level performance and conduct“, or, he couldn’t cut it.

Goodbye, Jesse MacBeth and good riddance. You’re a coward and a liar. You did a fine job of representing the anti-war movement.
In real war, when the fantasy world evaporates and you find people are really trying to end your existence, sometimes mistakes are made. Sometimes, people lose their way and do bad things. Sometimes, atrocities take place. When Americans do commit war crimes, the truth almost always comes out. Perpatrators are investigated, facts are tabulated, trials are held, and the guilty are punished. We are not cruel, but we do not tolerate inhumane acts. The enemy we are fighting encourages them.

On the whole, Americans live by rules and moral codes that are better than those our enemies have to offer. If this were not true, I would not have become an American citizen. I would not have volunteered to serve, on two separate occasions more than a decade apart. And I would not be writing this blog entry telling you that I am proud of the character of the vast majority of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines with whom I have had the honor to serve. The military I serve in spits out people like Jesse MacBeth, and rightly so.

You have the right to think the war in Iraq is wrong. You have the right to protest against it. You have the right to vote for leaders who will tell America’s military to pack up and leave with the task we started only partially complete. You live in a nation that allows you vast freedom of thought and action in comparision to what most in Iraq or Afghanistan will ever experience. And you are only free because of the men and women I serve with, who continue to volunteer, time and again, to protect you from the same sort of people who would murder you for wearing shorts.

Go ahead and believe what you want. Jesse MacBeth is a courageous hero for speaking out against war. Saddam was a benevolent ruler who kept Iraq peaceful, prosperous and terrorist free. Iraq never harbored terrorists or supported them financially. There were never any weapons of mass destruction. Islam is the religion of peace, and we should tolerate all Muslims, no matter how extreme their views may be and no matter how violently they express them. You my friend, are one day going to succeed at whatever you put your mind to, because you’re one sharp individual. Nothing gets by you and your razor intellect.

I, on the other hand, am just a simple soldier with no vision and a limited understanding of the problems facing us in the 21st century. As technology shrinks the world and forces diametrically opposed viewpoints to clash as never before, you protestors who don’t know exactly what it is you are protesting might eventually prevail. You better go watch the Jesse MacBeth video again. That guy knows what is really going on over here in the sandbox.

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kitanis

I am sitting here in the Denver Airport reading the Blog on Memorial Day.. I am Glad to see that MacBeth was proven to be a herring.

The people for the most part support the truth.. I myself gave up two seats to get back to where I was going for troops on R&R.. I have seen many examples of this in the airports..

But the Anti-War folks must be mindful.. they may be right about the "reason" for the war.. but to use a blantant lie to cast doubts.. only furthers the resolve of those who support it..

good reads Trevor.. keep it up
Dale

It sounds like we are on the same page. When you said 'antiwar poltroons', I interpreted this remark to be vectored toward the IVAW and to all people or organizations that are anti-war. Many anti war people are not cowards. Especially those who live aligned with their beliefs and are killed for them.
We agree on Jesse.
We agree on not leaving Iraq at this time.
We agree that the region is not tolerant of American freedoms.
I am unclear on the ability to instill a secular government in the ME that would honor freedom of religion. With so much mullah power over the ordinary life of people, mullahs can shape opinion instantly. If they cannot accept other faiths within their midst , then we will have to negate their influence or accept another country without religious freedom.
Trevor

Dale,

Just so we're clear, I don't know anything about the IVAW and I'm not claiming they are anti-war poltroons or cowards. Jesse MacBeth is the coward and liar. The man who gullibly shot a video interview of Jesse MacBeth lying and making up idiotic stories is the poltroon for believing him.

Sites that spread Jesse's lies as truth are also poltroons unless they correct themselves.

Recently, I was fooled by a video when I was told that it depicted an Iraqi journalist being murdered, when in fact, it was a different victim of Islamic terrorists. I corrected myself.

That is what I expect from those who helped spread Jesse's lies. A correction and the repudiation of Jesse himself.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The IVAW does repudiate Jesse MacBeth here. However, they are also encouraging all of us to cut and run from Iraq, which, in my opinion, is plain wrong.

Every servicemember who volunteered to serve this country is morally and legally obligated to follow the orders of his or her superiors as long as they are lawful and moral. I do not believe our current situation in Iraq crosses either of those boundaries, in general terms. Saddam Hussein was clearly a psychotic dictator with a 30-year history of crimes against humanity.

Now that he is gone, we have an obligation to all Iraqis to do our best to ensure representative government emerges that respects human life and allows freedom of thought, fredom of speech and freedom of religion.

It's a long road. The Middle East has not been and is not yet a region tolerant of human freedoms.
Dale

While I was against the War in Iraq, I am still opposed to leaving it.
Jesse did not represent me or my views that our entry into Iraq was wrong; for the same reasons SECDEF does not represent my views on why we should not leave.
I am confused though as to how 'some' of the IVAW group were deceived and others were not. The errors cited as proof of Jesse's deception and misrepresentation should have been obvious to all vets in that organization. Yet,they were not.
In any event, the truth has won in this instance and Jesse's falsity has been exposed. Let's not speak of him again.

I would also request that we carefuly apply the brush when we tar other groups. No one would accuse Pat Buchanan of being anti-war or anti-military although he has repeatedly been opposed to this war. Others who oppose this war, like the IVAW, should be named specifically and not tarred as "anti-war poltroons" as it smears them with other egregious acts that they may not have participated in or supported. I am willing to listen to why the IVAW are cowards as I have not heard of any cowardice among them. Let us know at some time about this.
Mary*Ann

"While our troops go out to defend our country,
it is incumbent upon us
to make the country worth defending."

This quote is on the side bar of Sarah's "Trying to Grok" blog. Everytime I read it I ask myself if I am doing so in my tiny piece of the country. That people like Cpl. Bohlman do what they do and give what so many have given is so humbling that people like MacBeth do not deserve a second mention once they have been exposed.

Thank you for all you do Trevor.