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Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact .40 vs. Smith & Wesson M&P .40

Author’s Note: In the nearly two years since I wrote this post, I have realized that I should never have compared these two weapons because one is a service model with 4″ barrel and one is a sub-compact with 3″ barrel. I will, in the near future, write a new entry comparing both models in a service revolver.

I wrote an entry a while back wondering whether people had any positive or negative experiences with the Springfield Armory XD Sub compact .40 S&W pistol. I got lots and lots of positive feedback and nothing negative. I wrote to Springfield Armory asking for some literature on the pistol, but never received a reply. Perhaps the marketing department isn’t interested in pro-gun bloggers…

Anyhow, I’ve just stumbled across the Smith & Wesson M&P .40. The two weapons appear very similar, and I’m wondering which weapon would be better for my primary carry pistol.

Let’s start with images of both:

On the left is the Springfield Armory XD 40 and on the right the S&W M&P 40.

And here’s a handy chart of specs I care about:

Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact .40 Smith & Wesson
M&P .40
Capacity
9+1
15+1
Barrel Length
3.1″
4.25″
Trigger Pull
5.5-7.7 lbs
6.5 lbs
Retail Price
$536
$624

I would like to know my readers’ experiences with these two weapons. How do they stack up against each other, aside from the fact that they are both made of modern polymers and both manufactured by reputable companies? The SA XD 40 is smaller but has less magazine capacity. The M&P 40 weighs more and holds more ammo.

Which one is more accurate? Which one feels better in your hands? Which one would you rather stake your life on if your life depended on a single trigger pull?

 

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kitanis
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When I was home on leave.. I got a chance to fire a XD-45. I liked the feel of the weapon, and the price was only ten dollars more than the list price of the XD Sub in .40 that you list. The feel was the same as the XD-9 and HS2000 that I have previously fired.

I did lift up the same model of Smith and Wesson that you list. It felt about the same. But there was something I did not care in te grip.. but never did get a chance to fire the weapon.

Each person is different when it comes to guns.. your miliage may vary.

Bryanwhitehvac
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change to a different grip!!!!!!!!!!, the sprigfields can’t do that grip change like th s&w-M&P!!!

Jim
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I like the 15+1 round capacity of the S&W. But, I’m one of those folks who can’t hit much of anything with a pistol. Also, when the 15+1 rounds are fired off, the S&W weighs more, thus making it a better club.

I realize my comments reveal that I am not a pistol person. A sawed-off shotgun is more my idea of a close-in self defense weapon.

Okay. I’ll shut up now.

jim

Matt
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Mr. Snyder, I’ve been reading your blog for a few weeks and have found it to be a valuable part of my daily news “download”. Thank you.

I’m sure you have heard of http://www.thehighroad.org and http://www.glocktalk.com. Both these sites are invaluable in their first-hand evaluations of certain firearms. I know that the XDvsSW debate has been hashed and rehashed on both sites but i know that there was a recent one on THR, probably on the autoloader or handgun forum that you’ll want to read before making a purchase. Someone on there mentioned the SW releasing both a .45 model to compete in the Army pistol trials (that hasn’t ever been fully aknowledged as a plan to replace the M9) as well as a compact version in the near future. That may affect your purchase timeline…it is affecting mine. Good luck to you, Sir.

kitanis
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Matt.

I had not heard of the SW being considered to replace the M9 in General Service. Although I understand that the Marines are wanting to bring on the SW for some of their troops.

But I will lay you money that a Pistol replacement will happen much faster than the battlerifle replacement!

Trevor
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Jim,

A sawed off shotgun works for crowd control issues. A pistol is, in my opinion, the weapon of choice for someone who needs to discriminate in hitting a human sized target at up to about 50 yards.

Matt,

Thanks for the tips. I will certainly go review whatever debate has taken place :)

Matt
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Kitanis, I don’t know that the S&W is in the running or not. I’m sure that every major pistol mfg in the world has submitted pistols prototypes to the Joint Combat Pistol Trials. I’m sure that the M&P was designed with a flexible chassis with this in mind, as was the XD, the Steyr M series, the new as yet unofficial HK P30/USP45, etc…The official RFP for this program can be found here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/jcp.htm

Recall that back in the early 1980′s when the military decided that a higher capacity sidearm in a NATO cartidge was ‘the answer’, the original JCP requirements were so stringent that none of the guns passed the first tests…they then reduced the requirements and voila, the military ends up with the M9.

What role the new JCP will fulfill, I can’t be sure. It sounds to me to be a SOCOM specific weapons platform which can replace or supplement the M9 or MEUSOC 1911A1 in certain cases. It also seems to be poised to replace the HK Mk23 “offensive pistol” system in many cases since most complaints against the Mk23 are due to size and weight. It will most likely not be a planned replacement for the M9 purely for cost issues. Most of the after action reports from the Middle East in recent years seem to imply poor maintenance issues and broken magazines with the M9 rather than multiple reports of failures in the pistol itself.

The 9mm vs 45ACP will rage on forever but don’t think that broader entry requirements and a greater number of smaller stature military personnel and less money put towards firearms-specific training will point the military towards the “hard to manage recoil” (meh!) of the 45ACP for general issue…it just doesn’t especially since there have been no outstanding failures to necessitate a wholesale review and replacement strategy.

The 45ACP fulfills a broad spectrum of mission specific goals and since the JCP specifies use of a supressor, its likely that the more subsonic nature of the 45ACP is more than ideal in this combo. Obviously, SOCOM operators have the talent and will take to the finest tools they can bring to bear…

Well, I’ve soaked up enough of Trevor’s bandwidth…have a good one y’all.

Brian
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Ive had both. The xd is a great gun, but the finish on the S&W is much better. If you are going to get the Xd, get the bi-tone. The black rubs off very quickly. I stuck with the S&W becuase it felt better in my hand, and it also has interchangeable palm swells. I shoot the S&W much better also..in fact, ive got an H&K tactical 45 that i can shoot circles around with the S&W (not bad for half the price..literally). The only think i like better about the XD is the safety features..but im sticking with the S&W.

JohnMichael
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Howdy, just picked up a SAXD sub-comp and I just wanted to let you know that it does come with an extended clip that allows for 15+1 rounds. Beautifully made gun with the SA name backing it.

Love the look, the feel, and the security features.

Rock on, fellow gunners.

Mike
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I own a Xd 40 4″ model that has the black finish. I am definatly not happy with the finish, but the xd I own is extremely durable and is the only gun ive ever owned that has never misfired, failed to feed etc… not a hiccup… but the black finish rubs off and will rust IWB.

Kevin
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I was recently in the market to purchase a new 40 cal to carry with me in a duty rig. I went on the net and saw the whole debate between glock, springfield, sig, hk, and beretta. But because of the whole Sigma controversey and shady reliability rating, i did not even give smith and wesson.

So I went to my local gun shop and set out to find the best one for me. Here is the break down. HK and sig, feel great in the hand, but i found that the first double action shot was hard to get off and keep accurate. Not to mention the fact that they are about 200 bucks more than the others.

Glock, well glock had a good weight distribution and the actions were smooth and the sights aligned easly. But there was one huge problem the grips fell on the wrong spots on my hand and after about 20 rounds the grips started tearning up my middle finger.

SA well i owned an xd-9 which i put about 1000 rnds through, with absolutely no probs. But i could not hit the broud side of a barn with it. So i decided against the SA becasue i figured it woudld not shoot too much different than the xd-9

So i was pretty dejected that i didnt find a suitable gun yet so, as a last ditch effort the salesman at my local gun shop slipped a M&P 40 in my hands with out telling me what it was. I fell in love!!!! It felt so great in my hands. The grips were perfect and the trigger was crisp and consistent. The sights aligned very easily. 15 rnd capacity in the mag. Oh i just cant put inot words how sweet this gun is. It is fully ambidexterious, which is huge for a lefty like me. On the range i am up to 500 rnds with no fte’s or jams. And accurate to boot. 9 and 10 ring only at 25 yards. If you are going through the same debate as me, hold them all and shoot as many as you can and go with what feels good, but dont make the mistake that i did not giving smith and wesson a chance, becasue this time the finally did the semi-auto right!!!

ironwolf
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if you are looking for concealed carry…. i would go with the smaller XD i believe statistics show round capacity for most self defense issues are well below 5 rounds anyhow.. and occur at less than 10 yrds ..and as far as i know its not illegal to carry magazines nonconcealed in any state so even if an extra mag carrier shows.. i don’t think you will have too much problem. but the smaller frame will conceal better..
as far as for a service type pistol i would always go for the longer barrel i have not fired the SW M&P but i have shot the mid sized XD in .45 ACP it handles good.. though i did not like the feel of the trigger pull…it seemed like it got stiff just before the trigger broke like it hit the wall before fireing… personally i own a glock model 35 with the 5.3 in barrel in .40 SW i love it…
in my state we are allowed to hunt with certain pistols during late muzzleloader season for deer.. and i killed a doe last year @ approx 80 to 85 yrds with it…

Scott
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I own a XD-9 service model and love it, not a problem with it after putting about 1,000 rounds through it in a little over 4 months. However, the only question I have is why compare a subcompact to a service model pistol if you are wanting comparable results?

Dan
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How can you actually compare these two guns. One is a sub-compact and the orther is a larger frame gun. You should have compared the SW to the XD with the 4″ barrel not the sub. I am a police Officer and I have the sub 40 as a backup to my sig 226 40. I also own a glock 27 (compare that to the xd40 sub) and a glock 26. I prefer the xd40 sub because of the feel in hand and the safety features.

Pete Spano
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I’m currently in the market for my first handgun. I’m going with the M&P .40. I shot it last week. Very solid gun. Shot a Glock .40 and I thought the M&P was a much better fit for me.

Lance Hollingshead
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I own the colt 1911, best handgun hands down. I also have the xd40 full size and the Sig 220 45 cal. The xd is an excellent weapon it carries nicely and is very accurate. I have handeled almost all of the above mentioned handguns and it really comes down to what you are comfortable firing with great confidence, should you have to draw your weapon to defend. Second what is comfortable to carry all day, and that you can draw with speed. Smaller is not always better, even though it may be lighter to carry all day. All of the above can be concealed quite well. I carry my 1911 everyday and when it comes down to it anything that starts with a 4 is the answer.\

Thanks and God Speed to all. A Right not Exercised is A Right Lost.

Hank Myers
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i have a m&p 40 with1200 rounds through it without a flaw. I also carry the m&p in a speed scabord from s&w that rides high and feels good. the m&p is highly accurate and after the 1200 rounds recoil is no factor. draw and put 5 in target asap.

XTeacher
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I bought a XD 40 sub-compact a little over a week ago for concealed carry, and I have put around 400 rounds through her so far. So far, I am extremely pleased with the weapon. The M&P is an awfully nice gun (the gun shop had one as well), but the XD is obviously superior for concealment due to its diminutive size. This is a no-brainer if your primary application is concealed carry. I use a Comp-Tac shirt tucker IWB holster with the XD, and it is an extremely comfortable rig.

I have a 1911 that I have relegated to home defense and for open-carry situations, and I am consistently more accurate with it than the XD so far, but not by much. I can shoot the XD almost as well, which is what I find surprising. I’m not really sensitive to recoil, but the XD doesn’t seem to be at all uncomfortable to shoot.

Bottom line: For concealed carry, I believe that a weapon should be a balance of the following factors — the largest caliber in the smallest package that is the most comfortable to shoot. The XD 40 sub-compact seems to satisfy these requirements. I was a heartbeat away from getting the Glock 30 because of my fondness of .45ACP, but I was sold on the XD largely because of the grip safety and for the fact that the XD feels better in my hand than does the Glock. I would say, though, that the subcompact Glocks are better weapons for comparison than the large M&P.

Sparks
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I have an XD-9 Sub that I love, but I’ll probaly get the M&P .40 in the compact model because I heard that it will handle the recoil better than the XD-40.

Michael
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I own an XD sub compact and 4″, both in 40 S&W. I have enjoyed both pistols very much. Have found both to be extremly reliable in terms of function and accuracy. As far as which do I prefer for concealed carry, the sub compact is hands down my choice. Concealability and stopping power all in one package. As someone has previously posted, most gun fights don’t last for more than a few seconds and very few rounds are fired. Having said that, the capacity of the sub compact is not really an issue for me. Two to the body and one to the head!

george T
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i am thinking quite seriosly betwee the springfield supcompoct .4o the new smithh & weson mp compact 40. both look good on the paper but have not had one in my hand yet. if any one has handled and shot both i woukd be very interested in your opinion,
thanks- george tarelton email- gltarleton@man.com

justme1976
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The worst thing about the S&W is that is jams all the time. I work at a police academy and have seen several cadets guns jam on a regular basis. I did like the way it shot, but when I am on the street and my life depends on the gun, I am going with the XD all day. Many of the cadets and gotten rid of their S&W and swithced to the XD or the Glock.

Duke
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I personally love most all of smith and wesson products including the knives. I test fired one and just loved the feel. It is a very accurate smooth opertating firearm. The recoil was minimal, and it tracked right back into place. Double taps are wonderful and easy to manage.

Jay
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Check this out it should sway anyone towards the XD models. I use the subcompact XD as a concealed carry and the compact (4in) as home protection. I have shot thousands of rounds through these guns and have never had 1 problem. Not one single jam . Way better then GLOCK!
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html

Dan
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I have both the XD Sub-compact in 40 S&W and the S&W M&P 40.
I also have the M&P in 9mm and the XD 4″ in 9mm.

I was amazed at how well the XD 40 Sub-compact shot. Fed everything I put in it (including my 165 grain, Berry’s Mfg. reloads using Winchester 231 powder). I was also amazed at how accurate it is, at least to 30 feet or so. As far as the M&P 40, I also was very happy to discover how accurate it shoots, and with the least felt recoil of any other 40 caliber pistol I have owned (and that has been a bunch). With the M&P I’ve had a couple of light primer strikes (CCI primers), but none with Winchester primers. The XD sub-compact also feeds fine all the brands of ammo I shoot, including my reloads of 165 grain bullets (Berry’s Mfg.). The M&P has a 4.25″ barrel, and the grip is a little large, since it holds 15-rounds of 40 caliber bullets, a little hard to conceal. The XD is bulkier, and short, but has a shorter grip (at least the small magazine is). The larger magazine for the XD feels much more comfortable, but of course makes it harder to conceal. Since the XD has only a 3″ barrel, compared to the M&P 40′s 4 1/4″ barrel, I feel that the XD is more concealable for concealed carry purposes. I would trust either gun in shoot-out or self defense situation.

jt
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the S&W 40 all the way. This is the best ballanced handgun i have ever fired. The grips come in 3 easy to change sizes and can there for comfortable fit most hands. I am at best a novice shot with a pistol and at 15 yards i can easly attain a 2 inch 5 shot shot grouping. The reaqusition time between shots is great as well because of the comparitavely low amount of kick. Without sounding like some one that works for S & W i have never been happier with a hand gun.

Steve
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I am bantering between the XD 9MM and the SW M&P 9MM. I know the best option for selection is test them both, however I don’t have that luxury. So from what I have been reading it appears the SW M&P may have a very “slight” edge. Thanks for the comments.

Joe
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I own a S&W compact 40 cal pistol. As a ret’d LEO, I was looking for a compact and somewhat light weapon for concealed carry. I tried the SIGS (I like SIGS very much and own 4 of them), and then came across Smith’s 40 cal. compact. Best piece I’ve ever carried concealed. Shot very well with no malfunctions, is extremely accurate, and is made and finished very well. The gun has a stainless steel slide and barrel, zytel(polymer frame) with the metal parts within being made of stainless steel. I can’t say enough about this gun. It’s simply the best, from workmanship, finish and fit to accuracy and function.

Joe
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I forgot to mention in the preceding post that this compact s&w compact is Smith’s new M&P variant. It has a 10+1 capacity. It is a very nice gun.

Ron
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Hi Trevor, I would suggest that you take a look at the new M&P .40 Compact. It is more of a match for the XD Sub Compact. It holds 10+1 and feel awesome in my hand!! I traded in my Glock G27 for it and I am not regretting it at all. It is a great shooter with less felt recoil than just about anything else out there. Pick one up and handle it. I think you will be sold.
Some good info about the M&P pistols can be found here, http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php
A good review here, http://www.gunblast.com/SW_MPCompact.htm . The review was for a 9mm, but you will still get a feel for how the gun handles.

Ron

Steve G.
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I own the springfield XD9 4 inch model. It shoots great, very little recoil. Pretty accurate at the range at 10-15 yards. I am looking to buy a new sub-compact and confused whether to go with the .40 cal springfield xd or the new S&W M&P compact .40. They are just about the same size, both feel great in my handsize (not too big/not too small) but I haven’t had the luxury of shooting anything in .40 cal other than the glock 27 for comparative purposes.

Any suggestions???

Nick
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I actually fired my friend’s XD40 quite a few times and I can honestly say I just don’t like the gun. I hate the feel and I just don’t like the safety features… It felt like it had a little too much… snap… to it. I also shot it numerous times and couldn’t even hit a 10×15 foot piece of plywood at 25 yards with it. I thought it was just me not being able to hit anything but nobody I know that has fired it was able to even hit the board at 25 yards…. or even 15 yards… As far as reliability goes it has never had any issues at all and is extremely easy to field strip but… just not a gun I see myself owning. I am very interested in the M&P .40 though and I can see this as my concealed carry gun in the near future.

Besides… isn’t the S&W American made? Haha kinda makes me feel unpatriotic to carry a Croatian made gun with a US company stamp on it… The 226 is still on my mind though… so I am still not quite sure on S&W or Sig…

Ryan0055
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you need to learn proper shooting skills or his gun must have a major flaw my xd is very accurate

Bobby
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Nice Thread! For the most part no one is hammering either, that is refreshing. Here is my two cents worth. I own the M&P 40 full size. This gun has around 1500 rounds thru it with everything from the cheapest dirtiest import ammo to the highest end premium ammo. This gun has never failed to go bang. I have two shooting buddies that both own XD’s, a 9MM compact, a 45 full size (4″), and my favorite the 45 Tactical (5″) compact. This one to me is a real winner. When it comes to concealability the Grip is where most of the imprinting occurs and with the 10 round mag the problem is solved. When higher capacity is needed just pop in the 13 round mag. When it comes to accuracy it is hard to beat the 5″ barrel. I still like the trigger pull and the interchangeability of the palmswell grips on the M&P, but the 45 in a concealable package is sure a big Plus. I am waiting for the new M&P 45 to become available before I pick my next one. On the XD’s above I do not know the total number of rounds thru each but I do know there has not been one malfunction. An earlier post mentioned the S&W reliability with regards to the Sigma. I too had a Sigma that was unreliable. Instead of complaining about it I sent it back to S&W, when it came back it was totally reliable, but I could not get past the overly stiff trigger so I traded it for the M&P. I also have a Springfield Micro compact 1911 (3″), these are probably the most finicky guns around, this one was so unreliable that there was no way I would carry it. It took two trips back to Springfield to get it right, but right it is. The moral here is both companies have excellent warranty repair centers and great customer service/satisfaction departments. Don’t be afraid to choose either, pick the one that points the most natural and fits the hand and you will not go wrong. BTW out of all of the handguns I own I conceal carry the M&P more than any other.

Trevor
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I just got a chance to put my hands on a store model of the XD 40 for the first time. Man, it sure had a stiff slide mechanism. Felt really nice and balanced though. I guess I need to get serious about making a purchase of one of these two weapons soon.

Nick, as far as not being able to hit a 10×15 piece of plywood at 25 yards, I would have to wonder if that was something you were doing wrong?

Ben
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For it to be the gun’s fault that it can’t hit a 10 x 15 foot piece of plywood at 15 yards, it’d have to be visibly BENT. If it’s not bent, it’s more than likely the shooter. I have personally watched a guy shooting an M9 that was shooting about five feet low at 25 yards. His buddies were telling him the gun was shooting low, and to aim higher! I checked the gun, as the thing had to be bent for it to be the gun’s fault. It was fine. Turns out that he was lunging so hard when he pulled the trigger that he was pulling the thing low, hitting the ground in front of the target. I took one normal shot, hit about 1/2 inch below the center, then gave him a quick lesson on sight picture, concentration, and such. At least, then he could hit the paper.

As for shooting the XD and MP, I’m looking also, leaning toward the subcompact XD (9mm for my wife, either a 40 or 45 for me). I haven’t fired either, though. I just couldn’t keep quiet about blaming the gun for not hitting a 10 x 15 foot target at 15 yards. Sorry.

andrew
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if i have to choose between xd or S & W I take xd all the way better gun. more safety, own an xd sub, ( and yes I can hit the target well pass 25 yard center mass)

Trevor
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Andrew,

I tend to agree, and I have been thinking I would like to ask the folks at SA for a test unit. This blog entry is by far one of the most visited on my site – it gets about 1,000 unique visitors a week, so there are clearly people interested in both of the pistols.

I wouldn’t mind a chance at actual live fire with either of them so I could post a review here.

Ralph De La Huerta
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To Trevor,
I own both M&P 40 and M&P 40C (the compact). I carry the 40C except when climate and clothing calls for something more concealable. I have only handled the
XD and I like it. I might add one to my collection in the near future.
I have shot both of my M&P pistols and find them to be excellent to shoot and control. The recoil is minimal.
However, to the full sized 40, to help in handling, I installed the medium back strap and a Hogue full sized hand all slip on.
This improved the feel and handling by 100%, however, as someone said, each shooter and shooter’s hands are different and likes and dislikes are as individual as our personalities.
Good luck and good shooting in which ever pistol you chose. Whatever choice you make, it will be the correct one for you.
Live well, Shoot well and be a survivor.

Joe S.
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My wife and I decided to move up from 9mm, so I bought my wife a .40 Glock 23C for our anniversary (her choice!), and she bought me a .40 Springfield Armory XD with the 4″ barrel a week later for my birthday. As I’m a southpaw, the right-handed “XD Gear” holster didn’t suit me, so I got the left-handed Speed Scabbard made for the XD (which, btw, is a GREAT holster!).

I’ve fired her Glock (which was purchased used, with a ghost-ring sight setup that really sucked for us, and which we had replaced with standard sights!), and I feel that the XD fits my hand better. The porting on the G23C didn’t impress me, either, but I think that the porting, plus the silly ghost-ring sights, also put off the original owner to the point that the pistol got traded in – the price was much lower than my new XD.

We fired both 165-gr. Winchester “white-box” JFN ammo and Speer Lawman 180-gr. JHP through the pistols without hiccups; the heavier stuff tended to print lower from the XD than the Winchester, but not enough to miss a bad guy by.

The grip on the XD fits my hand like it was made for it. The G23C feels nice, and its trigger MIGHT be a very slight bit better right now, but as mentioned, the XD was brand new, and the G23C was used — I expect the XD trigger to improve just a little as it gets broken in, and then it will be perfect IMO. The XD carries snugly in the Speed Scabbard, yet comes out readily. Draw practice (UNLOADED — no magazine & triple-checked!) will make this work even better.

I’ll agree that the XD mainspring is stiff — if it doesn’t get much better as I break in the piece, I’ll consider a set of replacement springs from Wolff Gunsprings. The G23C’s slide is nowhere near as difficult to cycle, yet it also functions flawlessly, so maybe the XD’s don’t need to be so stiff? I won’t mess with it for a while — see how it works out.

Both pistols hit what they’re aimed at if we do our parts. My wife hits with her new .40 G23C much better already than she has done with her old standby 9mm S&W. We’re going from DA/SA-style actions to what amounts to single-action pistols (yeah, I know that Glock calls their action a form of double-action-only, but calling a tail a leg don’t make it so!), so we’re going to have to learn how to best manage our new pistols.

More range time coming up! (Honey, how’s the ammo budget holding up?)

Trevor
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Joe,

I have a Glock 23 (no C) and I love it. I can’t wait to compare it with the XD. Some great tips in your post. Thanks for sharing.

taruj
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hi,

u should compare a xd full size with the full size m&p. xd fullsize magazine holds more and has a 4inch barrel. hollar

BRENT
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4 in 40 xd holds less than the m&p40. both feel great. more bullets more weight. i know i have an xd 45 that i love but holding 14 rds. thank GOD that i’m a big guy.

Trevor
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I was comparing the two weapons that caught my eye. I prefer a pistol that’s fairly easy to concealed carry. Is there are comparable M&P in a short barrel?

Rick
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I own Glock and XD40 and shoot both about the same with no hiccups from either. The Xd40 grip is more ergonomic for me ,but I don’t think it balances as well. Recently fired the M&P at a range and was pleasantly surprised by the balance,accuracy and ergonomics. Can’t say much about relability, although I had no malfunctions.

Trevor
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Thanks for your comment Rick. I am going to be testing my SA XD40 service pistol with 4″ barrel in conjunction with the Viridian SXD in July, and I’m really looking forward to it. I hope to purchase an M&P 40 in the future and perhaps test it with a green laser as well. My Glock 23 is a sub-compact model without rails, so I can’t mount lights or lasers on it.

Execprotect
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My local range (Action Outfitters, Melbourne FL) has the S&W M&P.40 as well as the Springfield XD .40 available as rental guns on their range. I was looking for a Highcap .40 for a new carry. So I rented them both and ran 100 rnds thru each.

Both weapons are very nicely made, similar in specs and cycle rounds like there is no tomorrow. However, I decided on the S&W. Reason?? Feel and pointability are great and at 20yds, 2nd mag of 5 rnds all hit in the “8″ (not bad on a unfamiliar weapon) 3rd and 4th mags in the 9′s…Period!!!!

As for they guy wanting to know what is best..all specs similar..take the one that FEELS good to you. A shooter shooting a comfortable weapon will be more accurate.

I have carried Sigs for years. If you want an INCREDIBLE 9mm, get your hands on a Sig225. I also carry a 239.40 which is very nice. Both are awesome as is anything off the sig farm.

The M&P though doesnt feel as “solid” as a Sig, but it is very well made, accurate, reliable and possible the start of BIG things to come from S&W. Take a look at their warranty on the M&P line! They are definately standing behind their product!

The only other point I can make is the safety set up on the M&P. The gun has great features, but for novice shooters, you may want to go towards a setup with a more conventional safety system. The M&P is a awesome LE/Mil weapon.

Next in the vault may have to be the M&P 45!!!

dave h
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I took the TN handgun carry class yesterday! I had bought a .40 XD with a 4″ barrel, two-tone (stainless top) . I hadn’t fired a gun in about 10 yrs and then very little. Man, I love this gun! 43 of 48 shots were within the first two circles and bulls. …”focus on the front sights..” Back then I had the small GLOck .40, 23 I believe. I also loved it but I think I love this more. It does fit my smaller hand perfectly. I do agree that racking the slide back is stiff but I’m also not too familiar with firearms in general. I think its top of the line and at a great price.

Trevor
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Dave H,

I’m glad you’re enjoying the service SA XD 40! I have both that model and the Glock 23. We’re going to be shooting them both tomorrow. I will let you know which is more accurate, in my opinion. Maybe even some video if things work out.

Will
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It’s definitely a case of “Your Milage May Vary”.

I’ve fired both the guns Execprotect is refering to (Action Outfitters is my range as well) as well as my father’s S&W Sigma. The M&P and XD are both significant improvements over the Sigma, but between the two the differences are slight, and personal preference plays a large role.

Personally I purchased the XD because I liked the safeties on it better, and the grip was more comfortable and natural. While I’ve only put 200 rounds through mine, I did put more 500 rounds through each of the range’s rentals with only one incident – 1 failure to feed on the M&P, which appeared to be attributed to a prior user dropping the mag.

Dan
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I went with the xd-40 sub compact. It is small enough to fit in my pocket without printing (depending on my pants). I have a small holster, more like cloth cover, over the xd to help protect it from scratching.

My accuracy needs work. I have a friend that was able to shoot a nice group with it at 50 yards, which, of course is not what a conceal gun is made for.

Mike
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I read some where up top that the SA has more saftey fetures than the S&W, what are these extra saftey fetures.

Thanks

Mike
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Hello, me again. Does anyone know of info; accuracy, reliablity, and saftey in regards to the compact m&p .40?

Steve G.
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Thanks for all the info and opinions. I got into this thread back in April. I see lot’s of new info. The consensus for me while looking at the compact version of the xd or the M&P is to go with the M&P. Plus they have a deal right now for two additional mags direct from S&W. This will be my primary ccw and I’ll keep the SA xd 9mm 4″ in the house.

Thanks again for all the feedback…..

Thomas
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I like that you’re comparing the HK M&P to the SA-XD….

BUT… wouldn’t it be more applicable to compare 2 guns of the same size?? You’re basically comparing a full size pistol to a SUB COMPACT one… that doesn’t make sense to me. There are 4-5″ full size .40′s out there in the xd model.

Steve G.
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I’m comparing the S&W M&P compact 40 cal to the SA Subcompact 40 cal. I already own the SA xd 4″ in 9mm.

Steve G.
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BTW, that was the SA xd 40 cal subcompact

Trevor
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I like that you’re comparing the HK M&P to the SA-XD….

BUT… wouldn’t it be more applicable to compare 2 guns of the same size??

Thomas, you are correct, sir. In the future, I will compare apples to apples. Look for a review of the M&P 4″ vs. the SA 4″ before the end of the year at this site. It will contain a lot more detail than this blog entry, because I will own both weapons at that point, and I’ll give you my detailed thoughts and comparisons as well as video of both weapons being fired side by side.

FFL
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I have no experience with the S&W other than holding it. I have reasonable experience with several different models of XD.

I’d take the M&P in a second over the XD. I feel it offer superior ergonomics. The M&P is the first worthy auto S&W in my opinion.

25YR INSTRUCTOR
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I’ve test and evaluated Glocks, Sigs, Walthers, H&Ks, Springfields and S&Ws all in 40 cal over several years for departmental purposes. We had Glock 23s which are great guns but there were a few aspects of the weapon that after 10 years of service were no longer desireable. H&K USP great gun! Walther P99QA probably the best in our replacement test. Springfield XD40 great gun. SIG PRO – malfuntioned on the first shot fired – it was just that one gun but I wasn’t going to take a chance. We settled on the SIG 229 DAK – accurate, safe and ultra dependable. The Smith M&P wasn’t out at the time. Had it been we’d be carrying it in our holsters as is by far the best PolyPistol on the market. It’s reasonably priced and its made HERE IN THE USA! Not to mention is accurate, the trigger is great, it’s dependable and you get 15+1 of 40 cal. What the heck else do you want. And oh by the way, the compacts shoot just as good with less felt recoil than any other PolyPistol I’ve ever shot.

My suggestion shoot what you can and form your own opinion. Note: After Testing and Evaluating the M&P I bought one the next day for off duty carry. When the SIGS get a few years older I wouldn’t hestitate trading them in on M&PS.

And NO I DON”T WORK FOR S&W!

Thomas
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I bought the S&W M&P 40 about two weeks ago. I really like the gun. It was my very first handgun so my groupings are still pretty crappy on the range. I’ve also heard good things about the XD’s. I can tell you that the M&P will be more accurate than the compact XD mostly because the barrel is much longer. By the way, S&W makes a compact version of the m&p if you really want a compact gun. I’m probably a little biased towards the S&W’s because I think they look better and I happen to own one!

grapplingwithguns
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I have the Springfield service model (4 inch barrel) in 9mm and the M&P .40 compact (3.5 inch barrel and 10 rounds – 1 chambered 9 in the clip).

I love the M&P. The rails are metal both front and back whereas the back rails on the Springfield are polymer and part of the polymer frame. The tolerances on the M&P are much tighter, meaning that there is no extra movement to the slide. The Springfield will shift a little, changing the relationship of the barrel in the slide, if ever so slightly.

I’m accurate with both, but I feel more consistent with the M&P in .40 even though the barrel is shorter than the Springfield.

Personally, I’ve swapped out the medium size grip on the frame for the large on my M&P. I’ve got big hands and the larger grip puts my trigger finger in a position that is perfectly aligned with the trigger and I’m less likely to pull any shot because of it.

Lastly, in terms of carry, the slide on the Springfield is larger than on most 9’s. You can see in the pictures on your site that the height of the slide is greater on the Springfield. It’s got more weight than the slide on the M&P, so it’s a bit more nose heavy. The M&P sits nicely in the hand whether you’ve got a tight or loose grip on the gun.

The extractors are different. The Springfield has an internal extractor, making it more of a hassle to clean the slide when you’ve shot a lot. Carbon gets all over in the crevices. The M&P is a bit easier to scrub down after giving it a good workout.

I trust both for personal carry. I’ve had very few jams with the Springfield and none with the M&P. I love both, and they are both fun to shoot.

Trevor
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Great comments, grapplingwithguns. Thanks.

Jeff
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Trevor, if you are interested in the best weapon to carry, and not the best sub-compact, then of the two I would go with the MP. The higher mag cap would make that call. I have heard many good things about both weapons, though a few bad as well. I myself own a Walther P99qa and I love it. Of all the pistols I have fired it is the most accurate weapon I think I have ever owned. It is a 40 S&W as well.

Nelson Fix
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Which would I rather carry concealed? Probably the XD. Which would I rather have if my life were in grave and immediate danger? No brainer: the gun with the longer barrel that packs the most rounds, as both guns, though they don’t have long track records, rate fairly high in user satisfaction. So, since one gun doesn’t have a decided dependability edge over the other, I’d be foolish to not go with the gun that offers more muzzle velocity and more rounds. The set up for this comparison seems a bit apples-and-oranges to me. Seems to me that a more meaningful comparison would be between the XD-40 Subcompact and the M&P Compact. Both conceal well and hold about the same or exactly the same number of rounds. In this comparison the M&P Compact wouldn’t have such an obvious advantage when it came to choosing which gun you’d want to have in a dire situation. But to answer the question again, since both guns work well, I’d rather have the one with the longer barrel and the most rounds. Who wouldn’t? Of course, if I only had experience XD-40, I’d want that one for obvious reasons.

Sidewinder
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The Springfield XD (4” barrel), is superior to the S&W M&P (4.25” barrel), and the Glock 23 (4” barrel). !
I just tested them all out, side by side, at the gun range recently.
Put 50 rounds thru each of them.
Rotating turns, shooting 10 rounds each.
The XD,s trigger is what won it.
Allowing the XD to shoot more accurately, and faster-accurate, follow up shots.
The XD also has better safety features.
Good ergonomics, it points and shoots naturally.
So whether comparing compact or full size, the XD will always perform better.

The S&W M&P.
I expected that it would be the best of the three, but its trigger is too much of a spongier-longer-pull, heavier trigger, on every shot.
That is not what you would have expected from S&W, who is legendary for great triggers, like the XD has.
Other than the trigger, the M&P is a great gun.
Great ergonomics.
The replaceable grips, allow you to substitute a Crimson Trace laser-grip into it.
That would be cool.
I expect that S&W will change the trigger on future M&P models.
If they dont their crazy.
Then they will have a winner !

The Glock, like all Glocks, SUCKS !
Because the grip-angle is defective.
It doesnt point & shoot naturally.
Glocks were designed after the German Luger, which had too sharp of a grip-angle.
This makes the barrel point slightly up, off target.
So it takes a split second longer, to aim them.
Not a good thing for competition, or a gun-fight !
(Dont believe me, see for yourself.)
Grab a Glock in one hand, proper-grip, down at your side.
Now close your eyes, and bring it up in front of yourself, as if ready to fire.
Now open your eyes.
You will see that the Glocks barrel is pointing up, off target !
So now you have to waste time pointing it back down.
Then your wrist, is in a unnatural-weak position.
WHY THE HELL, WOULD YOU WANT TO WASTE MONEY, ON A GUN LIKE THAT !!!
Other than that, the Glock is okay.
The trigger is okay.
It shoots okay.
But it does have more recoil, than the XD, or M&P.

That said, I bought the Glock, a few months ago, now Im trying to get rid of it.
Which shouldnt be too hard, most people dont know Glocks are defective.
I learned the hard way.

joshua d diaz
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JUST TO BE FAIR, YOU JUST MADE A MISTAKE COMPARING THE TWO GUNS. THE SPRINGFIELD XD .40 YOU GOT YOUR HAND INTO WAS THE SUB COMPACT MODEL. THE XD .40 COMES IN 4″ BARREL SERVICE MODEL (VERY COMFORTABLE). BE MINDFUL WHEN MAKING COMPARISONS. ANYWAY THE TWO OF THEM ARE GREAT HAND GUNS, I GO FOR THE XD.

robert
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I have shot both but and the springfield was my choice. I bought the XD – 40 however mine came with two 12 round clips and only cost $487. This is the weapon I chose to protect myself with (conceal & carry).

Brandon
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i purchased the S&W M&P 40 right after i graduated basic 2 years ago. i shot thousands of rounds, both factory and personal loads, and have never had a misfire, jam, or feeding problem. i got to shoot the XD a few times, and find it to be as good as Wolf Ammo. non-reliable, and inaccurate. i know opinions are from everybody, but id deffinatly put y life on the M&P.

Andy Quarles
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I own three xd models, the sub-compact 9, tactical 45 and the 9 . I am very pleased with these weapons and wouldnt take two m&p’s for either one of these weapons. I have not fired the compact 40 but with the accuracy and dependability of the compact 9 this is what i carry for my personal protection

Chris Melton
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God, I think weve all read all the controversy between all the new age polymers. Ive shot most, but own only 1…The reason is my lifes too important not to be backed by the M&P .40. Love the gun, Now I shot The M&P.40compact, I hate the way the XD feels in my hand. A definate winner from S&W, can we all forget about the sigma now…..

chris
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why are the sub compact model and a service model being compared? these really are not the same pistol, but SA has a XD service model or a compact model with a 4″ barrel like the S&W. just wondering.

Brad
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As many have posted, you should compare the 40c to the XD 40Sub. I have owned and shot the S&W 40c and it was by far a great gun, however it is harder to conceal. I bought a new XD40 Sub today because it is easier to conceal IWB carry. I havent taken the XD to the range yet, so no remarks there. I can say that the 40c is a peppy little shooter but certainly manageable. My girlfriend shot it, loved it, and shot it very well. I shot it well enough to hit the target LOL!!

Memphis Slim
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All XD’s now come with the melonite finish which is the same thing as the tenifer finish on Glocks… so no more issues with finish wear or surface rust. I own the XD in 45acp Service and 40s&w.Sub-compact. Both are excellent weapons. As far as reliability….take a look at this torture test. http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php. This 9mm had 20,000 rounds put through it…..frozen in a block of ice…..buried in mud….thrown off a three story building….filled with sand…..and run over several times by a truck. The gun NEVER had a misfire….failure to load….extract…nothing…in 20,000 rounds! So when you read a statement from someone who says “I tried an XD and it jammed …was inaccurate…..blah blah blah”….you can pretty much bet that they have never fired the gun. Fact is, the XD has been around for awhile now and has more than proven itself to be just as tough and reliable as the legendary Glock. Accuracy is as good as you can hold it. Springfields lifetime warranty makes it a no brainer. XD all the way!! The M&P has had some documented reliability issues but as S&W refines the gun, those should go away….the M&P has a nice feel …but I would give S&W another year or two to “polish” the functionality of the gun. I think lots of people are skittish of any S&W polymer handgun after the overall “crappiness” of the Sigma.

CmeansC
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Christmas is coming, and I may be writing to a dead thread, but;

I’m married to a Glock, but the SW MP40 Compact seduced me with a holiday promo price (too hot to mention, but first digit was ’3′, and includes a $50 rebate with the factory mailing you 2 xtra mags) and now I’m cheating on my G22 with the Smith.

As far as the apple/orange crowd goes, the Glock 27, XD40 subcompact and the MP40 compact, when laid on top of each other on the counter are identical on the X and Z axes, with the XD about .5 taller.

My new MP40 seems to be an indifferent eater, chomping 200 Win whitebox rounds, 200 Blazers, 200 Speer JHPs, and even 40 rounds of 2nd gen Fed HydraShock that I was too spooked to fire through my G22 (don’t want to start a kb! flame –suffice to say the paranoia is my personal ish) without flaw.

I’m with the CC commenters who point out PD encounters tend to happen fast, violent, and intimate, so my 3″ groups at 15, 21, and 50 feet (not yards) are more than sufficient accuracy to fulfill its job description. Yeah, it has that hinky trigger hinge, but this is so not a Sigma.

I like the MP40 compact for CC as much as I like my DDR Mak (now assigned to the curio-appropriate job of home backup) and the MP is much kinder on the hands.

Just a shepherd, here, not a SW endorser. If it hadn’t been for the 50% price diff, and the XD’s extra .5″ conceal profile (really tall slide), I’da bought the Springfield. I’ll be checking back to see what I can learn from replies.

- Shoot to end the threat, but only when all else fails.

Trevor
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The thread isn’t dead. People are still reading this at the rate of about 85 a day.

Mulehead
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CmeansC: Where did you find one for under $400? WOW! I knew about the $50 rebate + 2 mags, but around here, the pistols are all around $500. I’d be HAPPY to hear from you.

Jack Zumwalt
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I have a Glock 27 (40 cal) good gun, I was just out in Las Vegas, and went shooting with a friend, who had just bought a Springfield Armory 40, sub compact, XD. I uesd it for the frist time, after shooting I NEED that gun. I shoot the best I have ever shoot with it feels good in my hands the trigger is very smooth,and the gun is very will balanced, I loved the gun. I am going to buy one.

Kath
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Lady’s view:

I bought an XD-40 for my new carry gun after trying many weapons, and I’m thrilled with it. I shoot in the Women’s Handgun League, so there is no problem of my being “too delicate” to handle a .40 caliber handgun.

The gun feels right in my hand, but the safety features and dual-sided magazine release sold me, as I am often hauling around my 2-year-old grandchild and will usually have this gun in a purse. It’s unlikely to get fired by catching something on the trigger because of the safety features. Also there is no hammer to catch, and the rear sights are low and not likely to snag on something. Women’s fashions give us more problems with concealed carry that for you guys.

I needed small and reliable with lots of punch. This gun has that. Any shooting I do with it will be within short distances when I absolutely cannot afford a misfire!

Thanks to those of you who remarked on the finish rubbing off. I am going to keep an eye on that, although I have not had that problem yet.

suprdav
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I have been shooting all my life. I have gone over 15 years since I started buying guns again.
My point is I would stake my LIFE on my xd40! I also own a glock21 Ditto!

David Baker
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My favorite weapon to shoot is my full frame Unertl 1911, but I carry the Springfield XD Sub Compact in the .40. I would prefer to carry a Compact 1911, but finding a reliable, affordable Compact is tough. The XD is very accurate for a short barreled pistol, feeds reloads (a requirement for me) well, handles hot loads without issue, and is about half the price of a good Compact. Works every time. Drawbacks, well yeah. I hate the feel of the safety on the trigger. Irritates my finger (I know, “Wah! Wah!). My solution is when at the range, wear a thin pair of gloves. I figure if I ever have to pull it, the odds of me noticing the safety are about 0.0. I really like the combination of reliability, price, accuracy and hitting power.

A little bulky, but just a good solid pistol.

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jerry
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just purchased xd 40 service model and ran 250 rounds thru it. no failures of any kind. i was consistantly shooting 2″ high and 2to 3 ” left@ 10 yds. I am confident it is me and will make adjustments next time out. was using winchester ammo from walmart as they are about the best price for range ammo.

chris
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So I just bought this M&P 40. Standard black, 4.25 inch barrel. But the larger of the 3 grips on the back (eventhough I don’t have huge hands, it just feels more comfortable). My Boss that I work with has the XD 40 for himself (standard), and the XD 9 for his wife. We both went out to the indoor range here in Scottsdale. I must say, as I like the XD’s, the fact that the S&W model kept the same degree pitch in the grip as the SIGMA series. It was more accurate than the XD (in MY HANDS EVERYONE!). I’m sure if we could somehow vice grip the guns, the XD would have been more accurate. However, there is always that level of “shake” in everyone’s posture and this somehow is a determining factor in whether a gun will “stink” or not. Let me get to the point, the XD shot very well at 25 feet. I was able to put all rounds (both models BTW) in the “head” area of the target. I did the same with the M&P, but because of the heavier weighted barrel the gun was a bit steadier in my hand, especially since I put the largest grip on the firearm; This yielded a tighter grouping in the “head” area. We then moved the targets back @ 50 feet from the line and re-tested. The XD in my hands (both of them again) left a couple outside of the target area, but more than half inside the target area. THE M&P put all of them inside the target area. I am very very pleased now. We moved the targets back at the maximum distance for this indoor range (70 feet). XD 40 landed 4 rounds inside the target range, the XD 9 landed 6 rounds in the target range. The M&P landed 12 rounds in the target area (target area is still the head area of the silouette targets). In Conclusion here are the stats of everything used this day. 8 boxes of Winchester Ranger S&W ammunition. 3 boxes of CCI 9mm. 1 Springfield XD 40, 1 Springfield XD 9, 1 S&W M&P40, and a lot of frickin fun!!!!

Randy
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I have been carrying the XD 40 sub compact as my main CCH for 7 months naw fired a couple thousand rounds and have had ZERO malfunctions. I did have to get used to the short sight radius but have no problems getting all 9 or 12 rounds in the 9 zone. I admit I keep my targets in the 15 yard or closer range because I carry for self defense and know that most situations should be at alot closer range than that, any farther and you risk bystanders. I do alpot of point fire because a two hand stand and aim will not happen a real life need to protect situation. The finish problem everyone complains about is in the past, I don’t even have wear marks from the polymer holister on the weapon. There is a shortage of aftermarket parts, but that may be due to the life time warranty and if anything goes wrong Springfield fixes or replaces. As for me the XD wins hands down.

Joel
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The two guns pictured are like apples and oranges. the XP-sub compact is exactly that …sub compact. easier to conceal, but with less barrel length it is harder to control follow up shots.
The smith shown is a service lenghth pistol, larger in almost every respect, but easier to control. pistols with longer barrels are also more accurate. however in close combat situations control is more important than accuracy.
As for magazine capacity, the XD comes with a full sized mag also which makes it a 13+ 1

I try to carry my XD-40 sub compact as often as possible, but even in an IWB holster it is hard to hide completely so I find myself carrying my girlfriends Kahr pm40, it’s so comfortable sometimes I forget I’m wearing it.

rob hayhurst
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I look forward to trying the s&w. it is too new so I haven’t as of yet. I do own the subcompact xd and I am well pleased with it. Its a super accurate compact. With hydra shock bullets I was breaking 2×4′s holding up targets. it also holds a lot of rounds which is great for a concealed carry weapon. it also fits in a front pocket! i reccomend this for a cc weapon. lots of safeties and capacity and well uilt.

Chris W.
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I am considering a .4 pistol of the affordable sort that functions well, i.e. a Ruger P345, a S&W in .40, possibly the XD, possibly a used or a cheaper 1911 if I can find one. From what I have heard from people who have fired both the XD and M&P, both guns are pretty reliable. I have heard people say they had the XD jam on them. I have not heard anyone in these threads who has fired the M&P say that it jams. All these accounts of the M&P jamming are 3rd person and possibly based on the stigma of the Sigma. Anyway, since all but one say that M&P shoots more accurately than the XD, so I am leaning towards the Smith. That said I have handled the Ruger and it fits my hands well and have heard lots of good things about that gun’s reliability. So many choices! Definitely not the Glock. Heard too many bad things about that gun. And having shot it, I personally don’t shoot that accurately with the trigger such as it is (in 9mm). Maybe it was just a lack of practice, but that same day, I shot circles around it with a Walther PPK. The most accurate pistol I have shot is a worked Colt series 80. I can walk a can at 30′ to 50′ with it and the trigger was butter. But I don’t like that you cannot get your hands on a decent one for 600 bucks. The gun’s a legend and its good, but I won’t spend 1k on it when there are comparable weapons that will do the same thing practically speaking. I have also heard you have to work a 1911 to get it to cycle hollow points (i.e. not the ‘mil spec’ affordable ones). I guess I am leaning toward an M&P, but have not ruled out the Ruger. Concealed is not an issue since it would be used defensively if not just at the range (hopefully the latter).

Morris
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I have an XD45 Compact 5″ and Compact 4″, not to mention an XD40 Tactical. The XD45C 4″ was going to be my carry gun but the width of it makes it a bit difficult to wear either !WB or OWB. No problems during cold weather when I can wear my SIG-TAC coat but St Louis summers tend to get hot.

I was going to get an XD40 Subcompact because the XD40 is enough narrower that it wears well in almost any method. Plus I know several people with both the 40 and 9mm Subcompact and they all agree they are very easy to conceal. I say ‘was going to get an XD40 Subcompact’ because today I held a S&W M&P Compact 40 for the first time. Overall I like the XD40 the better of the two but the M&P is just enough thinner that it will be even easier to conceal than the XD40SC.

The only thing that bothers me is the M&P is noticably lighter than the XD and I know how the XD40SC recoils with most loads. I have read a couple of reviews that say S&W has designed this gun so the hand and bore are more closely aligned than in other guns which allows the M&P to recoil backwards instead of upwards which helps reduce the felt recoil. I’ll find out this next weekend because I’m, hopefully, shoot an M&P Compact when I go to the range. Hopefully, is because I don’t know if they have one in the rental case.

Kevin Trotter
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Great info in these posts. I bought an M&P 40 Compact a month and a half ago. Mainly to carry concealed. I needed something lighter and smaller than my S&W 5906. I’ve fired about 175 rounds through it. Had one light primer strike and also the slide’s been locking open with one round in the mag. It seems to do it regularly with one mag (1 out of 3) and almost never with the other mag. (1 out of 30).
I haven’t contacted S&W yet but I was expecting more reliability since my 5906 has never jammed or failed to fire and I’ve been shooting it for about 20 years. Has anyone else heard of this?? I didn’t read about anything like that in the previous posts.

Kevin Trotter

Kevin Trotter
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Called S&W customer service today. They’re sending me a UPS label to return my pistol.
I told Mark that I’d read on the internet that many people have had this problem and some have had to send it back three times.. He says that didn’t happen. They’ll fix it the first time.. Don’t believe everything you read on the net..
We’ll see..

Kevin

Anthony
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I have a XD and have had NO problems with it after 800 rounds through it. My father also has one with 1100 round through it. No signs of wear on the finish (other than on the guide rod), and it eats anything you put through it (straight ball jackets, hallow-points, and also “Pow’r Balls”) This is also a very accurate gun for being polymer. M&P has a much more uncomfortable grip. Of course you can change them, however interchangeable grips do not hold the same amount of comfort in your hand. Going with the XD will leave you with no regrets. Springfield makes so of the best guns you can buy and this is one of them!

Whiteops
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ok lets be honest here, as a member of the armed forces i do have extensive experience with weapons. the XD had a few god feature to look at. (1) the loaded chamber indicators on the top adn rear of the gun. think of a dark alley, and you dont remember if you have one chambered it would be nice to know, and not waste a round trying to figure it out.
(2) line of sight. if you stick your finger out and yell Bang! the bullet should go straight. with the m&P it is slanted upwards that can throw off and inexperienced gunman.
(3) the Xd comes with a 12 rd magazine so 12 +1.
(4) hot and cold barrel accuracy. unlike many handguns that shoot a good hot Zero, but not a cold. The barrel on the short XD remeins a constant even with the variance of rounds.
these are just some basic facts to consider.

andrew
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i have just purchased the Sa XD .40. The reason behind this was mainly my wife. We have been to the range several times, and shot all of the above mentioned guns. The SMith and wesson had several FTF’s and as she said :hard to shoot”, the glock was fairly reliable but she did not like the sight picture. As for the XD once she picked it up she would not put it down. we put at least 500 rounds through all of the guns, but the Springfield was the best for both of us because of its reliability, and the ease in her being able to shoot it in a 40 caliber

Doug
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Ok Guy’s

You all have great input. I have had glocks and the full size .40XD. Today I shopped for a small compact 40 caliber for conceled carry. I held the compact XD Springfield, the Glock 27, and the compact M&P Smith Wesson .40 cal. The Glock is ok if you buy the finger extention, the Springfield felt very top heavy and blocky. I purchased the Smith Wesson M&P compact .40. I liked the balance of the gun, finish, craftsmanship looked good along with steel sights. My guys at the gun store wouldn’t lie to me. They said they haven’t had any problems with them. I got it home and had to throw a few rounds. It shot tight groups, recoil was good, and breakdown was a snap, just like the XD. I wanted to try something new, and glad I did! plus through April you get a $ 50.00 rebate and 2 extra mags from S&W!!!!That’s worth alot!!! You can check it out on S&W website under spring promotions. It looks like S&W is trying to get back in the game of quality firearms. All three are great guns, and your eyes will cross reading all the reviews on them. They are all in the same price range. What you don’t want to do is trust your life with a cheap gun!! I hope my two cents helps you guy’s,

Doug D.

Chrishines33
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Doug, I could not have said this better myself. Your post was completely accurate. And informative! Thanks! I am in the EXACT same boat as you were. I am between the .40xd and M&P compact .40. Both seem like excellent guns. Ive held both, but do not really have a preference. I like the small grip on the xd for concealment, but the grip on the mp is small aalso, with slightly a bigger barrel. Im so torn its not funny. I think I honestly could flip a coin and be totally satisfied either way.

Grappling with Guns: June 2007 Archives
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[...] not mine. Mine is the compact, and I’ll post photos probably tomorrow.) Today I commented over at Will to Exist on an old post where he was asking for comparisons of the Springfield and Smith & Wesson M&P. [...]

Robert A.
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Hey guys been grappling over the M&P S&W .40, PX4 Storm in the .40cal. by Beretta or The Stoeger CougarF .40..I’ve held the XD40SC Liked it but it was a little bulky for my small fat fingers..I know I might be throwing a monkey wrench into the conversation but I could use a little help deciding…Haven’t held a pistol in 30+ yrs I was a Combat Medic c The Marines…went & took my CHL in Texas qualified c a 9mm Ruger Shot Expert so I guess it’s like riding a bike but you have to get back on slowing…Bought my wife a Bersa 380 which she picked out for home protection aside from the Mossberg Defender Shotgun..Now it’s my turn to get mine but these are the only ones I’ve held…I like the safety features on the PX4 and Cougar..Need some input please..Robert

Chris
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I’ve been looking to purchase my first handgun and this debate has been interesting.  I have fired an XD45 and didn’t really like it, but I think that was mostly due to it being a 45.  Some of the smaller versions do feel good in the hand, but I don’t like all the goofy safety features on it and wonder if that just makes for more parts to fail.  I’ve been looking at the M&P 40cal and have been debating on the full size versus the compact.  Sounds like there is not much difference in performance between the two from what has been posted.  I have also come across the Beretta PX4 Storm that feels pretty good in my hand and I like the external safety that is not found on the M&P.  Unfortunately I haven’t seen anyone talk much about it to compare with the M&P. 

S Kennedy
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I have been around guns for as long as I can remember and smith and wesson was the way to go. Today, smith and wesson aren’t what they use to be. I purchased a 45 XD 5in barrel, this is a awesome peice of work, never jambs, accurate and reliable. The downfall, hard to carry concealed unless you have a holster for the middle of your back. I’m thinking about getting a springfield 4in 40 caliber or a ruger 40 caliber. Ruger is also great gun, I bought my wife a ruger 9mm it is very accurate as well. Most of my friends on the police force really like their glocks, I was looking at a glock 40 today and I still dont like the feelof the glock. Stay away from Kel-tec for now because they have some jambing issues for what I have been told. Check out the Ruger if you want something with a hammer, safety and knockoff. The springfield is great if you want hammerless and less whistles.

tim fulton
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I bought a smith & wesson m&p 45. I loved the feel of the gun and the variable grip changes they offered. After firing the first box of 50 I was very impressed. After the 3rd box of shells I noticed the grouping of the weapon was spreading. At 200 rounds the target looked like I was shooting a shotgun. This was at 7, 15 and 25 yards. the further I got away from the target the worse. I returned the weapon and got a full refund. I purched a Springfield 1911 and I love it.

Jack
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main points of the zone diet…

Nevertheless there will always be a minority who will not get the point you are trying to make….

Josh
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I own both the XD 40 sub-compact and the smith and wesson M&P 40 the compact version and they both shoot great and both have some of the same features. The MP has chamber indicator, slide release on both sides so it’s perfect for righty or lefty. Mag release can be swithed to the other side if you are left handed.and the best feature is if you drop the mag out with one still in the chamber it won’t fire it has a safety.
the XD has similar features some not as good but still good chamber indicator thumb and trigger safety mag release on both sides for righty or leftyit has more weighted down nose so that you naturally hold the gun level.
I love both of these but my favorite of the two has got to be my M&P because it just shoots so much better

Benjamin Salazar
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I have the XD sub compact 40 and love it. the accuracy is about 20 25 yards not more then that. The recoil is not bad at all. I have had the privelage to fire the S&W 40 as well and it fires Great. 25 to 28 yards when firing,my friend the owner of the pistol can hit targets at 30 plus yards. In firing both pistols I find the XD is lighter, easier on the wrist especially if you have the extended mag. easier to grip.The S&W little heavier, bigger mag. and can hit a target at a futher distance. Both have similar features. I believe either would be a Great Pistol to carry as a concealed weapon or just to fire at the shooting Range.

19d {cav scouts}
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I HAVE FIRED BOTH OF THE HAND GUNS AND LIKE THE SMITH 40 BETTER. THE ADDED WEIGHT MAKES IT MORE STABLE WHILE FIRING AND IN MY OPINION I GOT LESS RECOIL WITH IT. PLUS WHEN HAVE YOU EVER HEARD SOMEONE COMPLAIN THEY HAD TO MANY BULLETS? LOL BUT YEAH THE SMITH BY FAR FOR THE ADDED WEIGHT AND LENGTH ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOOD LUCK TO THE REST OF MY CAV SCOUTS STILL FIGHTIN THE GOOD FIGHT

pillsbury bullet boy
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Howdy all = Im am gonna buy one of the three -gock 21 xd45 or mp45. How much differance in recoil might there be betwen a 40 cal. and 45 caliber? Im hopefully gonna rent all three if possible.
My 357 mag smitty revolver kicks pretty good. my my brothers auto ordnance 1911 45 { sweet shootin gun }kicks WAY less.

Trevor
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@pillsbury bullet boy: The difference in recoil is more significant by manufacturer than it is by caliber in my experience. You won’t find it significant either way.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Thanks Trevor, your right. Since my last post, I was able to borrow a Glock 21, or should I say a “block” 21. loved it.
The “blocky” grip feel was the only thing I didnt like about it. I rented the mp45, xd45, and a glock 30. I actually liked the smitty a little better, not not enough better NOT to buy the XD. Recil was real close to the same among the 3. Not significantly more than the glock 40 cal I tested a couple weeks ago. The only reason I didnt buy the smith MP is they didnt have a 13 rounder in stock at ATP gun shop.
Thank you MAy GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!

pillsbury bullet boy
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P.S. – The XD is notalbly heavier than the smith and the glock but it “APPEARS” less “rinky dink”. Not saying that the MP and
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glock are “rinky dink”. I like the thumb safty on the XD better than the MP. Plus I was more accurate with the XD.

Bubba
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The Springfield XD and Smith and Wesson M&P are both great handguns. It came down to price. I got the Smith for $50 less, plus I got a $50 manuacturers mail-in rebate. Total savings was $100 and that paid for my ammo for the next year.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Bubba – your right. I havent had as much trouble deciding between two women!! I like both plenty. Smith makes a 13 rounder but they didnt have one in stock. No 50 $ rebate, but a mail in coupon for two clips and a holder. cool enough.
pricewise, I coulda got it a little cheaper online, but I like dealin” wit my local gunshop.

COCounselor
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A female’s perspective:

I was looking for a firearm for concealed carry and looked at HK P2000 SK, SW MP, Sig P239, SA XD Subcompact. All in .40 and all but the XD is compact. My favorite was the HK and next was the SA XD. My friend had to return an HK to get fixed and it was still getting fixed after 8 weeks. Similar situation with the Sig-6 weeks. Not really good when you want the thing for carry on your person. It does me no good in Germany. The SW MP had a FTF after every 200-300 rounds. I have also heard this from other bloggers. The SA XD never had a FTF, FTE. It ate anything fed through it from WWB cheap ammo, dad’s reloads and the Black Talon defense rounds. The in-hand feel of the HK was better than the rest but the XD had better recoil recovery. Finally, the XD is a snap to clean–4 pieces.

There were several deciding factors that I chose the SA XD .40 subcompact: 1) was warranty work. SA is darn near unbeatable-9 day turnaround as compared to HK and Sig. 2) Cost-Firearm, holster, 2 mags, and other little doodads for $500 compared to $800ish for HK. 3) After the FTF and FTE on the SW MP, I wouldn’t trust it when my life or my children’s lives depended on it.

So I purchased the SA and the first time I had it out of the box, I qualified at the range for the required course for my concealed carry permit. All my shots but one from close range to 30 feet were center mass. The stray single shot was a shoulder shot from my “dippy finger.”

After thousands of rounds, the finish still looks brand new. It conceals great. I still have yet to have a FTF or FTE. I carry it loaded with Black Talons or the Remington Golden Saber rounds.

I love this gun, I am teaching my 11-yr old daughter with it and I can’t wait to get my hands on the new SA XD-M.

Mike Cameron
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I bought the S&W M&P 40. Subcompact for my primary conseled carry and i am very impressed.The wepon comes with three diffrent grip sizes for you to choose from. I have had a chance to shoot both the xd sub compact and my M&P and both are nice wepons. I personaly like the M&P because i think you get more features for the money. Both are great guns its just what you perfer.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Good choice mike. My next may very well be a Smitty M&P. Not that I dont love my XD. I’d bee lookin’ for a bigger capacity M&P in a 45. Aint seen one that holds more than 10. Thats one reason I didnt buy the M&P when I bought my XD.Between that and the fact I was a better shot wit the XD.
I posted earlier that Smith makes a 13 capacity 45, But when I go back to hunt it ,I dont see it anywheres. I coulda swore I saw one online-but cant find it now. Plus I like the “voluntary ” thumb safty on my XD. its a 5″ tactical. I beleive M&P has a “voluntary” thumb safty too.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Another one I’d like to check out is the XD-M. I here its improved over the XD, But they aint got too many calibers out yet. They seem to have “copied” Smith with the interchangable
backstraps. BUT-thy install with a roll pin ( from what I understand ). The “M” is for mega capacity. Aint held one yet.
Gotta wait on money.

Pirouette
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I just had the chance to shoot the XD 40 (3 inches) this week, I was surprised by that little gun,
very accurate as well, the recoil was moderate , not too bad…

Shann
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I’m in the market for a 9mm. Looked at the M&P, XD-M, Beretta PX-4. Leaning toward the M&P. What kind of wisdom have you got for me? Thanks!

no name
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I own the XD and the PX-4…DO NOT BUY THE PX-4. I bought the PX-4 brand new and it jammed four out of five clips for the first 50 rounds I put through it. That gun is nothing but problems. I own the XD 40 sub compact and the S&W 40 compact-both are exceptional guns. The S&W slide and barrel is stainless steel while the XD slide and barrel is a forged steel. Both have pros and cons; however, the M&P does have a supported barrel.

joshua
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I have a m&p and its a very smooth weapon . I shoot well with it and it is very much the perfect balance of concealability and caliber/capacity . When I first bought it the mag would fall out every few shots and the mag saftey would keep it from firing . I initially thought i was somehow hitting the mag release , and started to hate the gun because you cant love a gun that wont shoot right . I sent it bac to smith and since then have had no problems , about 400 rounds since the fix. This gun is stil to hard for me to conceal in the summer so i also have a s&w airlight 38 with the concealed hammer. Only five shots but its small enough to always be carried and wheelguns are inherently reliable , only five shots , hope if i ever need my cc piece to do battle its on a day im packin the auto, but the laws of chaos never work that way. btw i bought a ruger lcp 380 for back pocket carry , its very tiny but shootable , unfortunatley it wont feed worth a damn ,gotta send it in to ruger before i knock it though , i learned that lesson from the m&p .

Andrew
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Just bought an XD-9. The grip felt much more natural compared to the Glocks I handled. First time handgun owner, so haven’t shot much of anything yet. But I think ergonomics are important, so thought I’d mention my opinion on that.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Finally got to hold an XDm – SUPER SWEET. still waiting on money for my next buy,though. They DO have interchgbl back straps (with a roll pin). Ergonomics are superb. Unfortunatly,Im a 45 man,they dont make’em in 45 yet.I sure hope they do. I’d prefer not to change calibers. Im looking at Taurus for hot weather carry or maybr M&P. My XD 5″ tactical is a touch bulky.

pillsbury bullet boy
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Well, I went and bought a freakin’ Taurus. Neat little gun. pt145 millenium pro 45 bitone. Shoots real good, but it sure aint no XD.
Fits in my pocket real good for hot weather carry. Only put like 80 rounds thru it yet. $429.

trevorsnyder
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I'm going to have to get myself a Taurus soon too. I've got to round out my collection, no pun intended.

pillsbury bullet boy
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WAIT TREVOR, WAIT!!!!!! My Taurus done took a dump on me. BANG BANG BANG up to 95th round. 96 and up CLICK CLICK CLICK!! Somthing broke. Im sending it back to Taurus. Its a pt145 M-pro. I reckon I'll find out how good Taurus's customer service is.

Joe Boy
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Pillsbury Bullet Boy: I’ll be anxious to hear about Taurus service you experienced. Mine hasn’t been good. Bought a pt111 (9mm). First 250 rounds had about 12 ftf. Sent it back. Five weeks later got it back. First 11 pulls of the trigger – 8 fires, 3 clicks. I’m trying to get my money back or gun replaced. So are they want to “fix it”. Just don’t trust it now.

Jack Albright
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It's unfair to compare the S&W with the Springfield subcompact. The better comparison is to the compact XD40. Magazine capacity comes up to 12+1 and the extra barrel length increases long range accuracy. And moving up a notch to the XDM40 gets you a match grade barrel and a 16+1 capacity. As to the Marines replacing the standard service 9mm, it figures. Marines hate to waste ammo- one shot, one kill. OOoooorah

HAROLD
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I OWN A40 CAL XDM ITS THE BEST SHOOTING PISTOL I.VE SHOOT IN A LONG TIME .THIS IS NOT A GLOCK WANTA BE. BOTH GLOCK AND S.W. MP WILL HAVE TO PLAY CATCH UP ON THIS ONE .THE SPRINGFIELD XDM HAS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. ITS A SHOOTER AND IS VERY WELL BUILT. ITS A WINNER HANDS DOWN***

So others may live.
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In my professional opinion you can't really compare the two. There made for two different reasons I owned the S&W M&P 40 as my duty weapon, I had no complaints. But I have a Springfield XD40 sub compact as a back up and as my off duty gun. So I guess my question to you is what are you going to be using it for? I'm assuming your not law enforcement, and that your wanting something for just conceald carry? If thats the case I love my Springfield Sub compact and have no problem relying on it in life or death situations. So in my opinion if you just wanting a pistol for personal carry i would go with a smaller more compact pistol like the Springfield sub compact or the glock 27, and if you really like the S&W they do make a compact version now. And unless your using it as a duty weapon you have no need for 15 rounds, but if you like the hi cap capability the springfield comes with one 9 round and one extended 12 round mag. But all in all it depends on the shooter and what feels comfortable in his hands. Hope this helps.

trevorsnyder
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When I wrote this post I was thinking about a personal CCW weapon. Thanks for the comment. I'm going to post some video of myself firing the XD40 in the near future.

TracyErin
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As a female I like the Springfield much better. I really dislike the trigger pull on my S&W, it's sooo long. Also it feels very mechanical each time it rechambers a round. I have been impressed with my Glock 27 also but for a girl it's much easier to get the slide off the Springfield to clean the gun. But I'm just one person and we are all so different!

Earl202
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Hi, my name is Earl and I’m full on retard.

Allen
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Just bought and fired the XD subcompact in 40 cal. Love it – No FTF – I was surprised at the accuracy from the 3 inch barrel- recoil was less than my J-frame

Allen
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Just bought and fired the XD subcompact in 40 cal. Love it – No FTF – I was surprised at the accuracy from the 3 inch barrel- recoil was less than my J-frame

Brian D
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I own both. The S&W is very accurate, The XD sub is also accurate. They are both outstanding firearms therefore I have both. The S&W is a liitle larger and harder to conceal. The XD fits very good in the pants holder in the crotch area. I carry the S&W open carry on my side when atving etc. The XD for concealed. I can't say a bad thing about either one therefore I bought one of each. Yes the S&W holds 15 + 1, But the XD with the extended mag that came with it holds 12+1. Only 3 rounds different. NOt bad for a sub compact. Yes the XD is still larger and heavier that say a 380 for concealed carry. Its a great piece of mind knowing I have 13, .40 cal at my ready when concealed. A lot harder hitter anyway….Thks for letting me comment and GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS….PS , I also have a S&W MP15. Also outstanding. Would put up against any other AR15

jayme maxfield
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Well Brain , all you need is one,anyway’s right ..I love my sp 40 compact .Use it as my primary carry .OVER 300 RDS NO FAILURE ALL KIND’S OF AMMO .Anyway’s you sound like my kind of guy .Be safe ,be aware ,be armed ….

scott
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I was looking for a carry weapon and narrowed my search to the M&P com pact or the XD sub com pact. I rented both and shot nearly 100 rounds through each and for me I liked the XD better. I have since gotten very comfortable with it. Both were the .40

erik
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ive shot both, they make a 16 round clip for the xd, nice gun but i loved the mp. I got better grouping at abot 15 yards.

Big Scott
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I purchased my XD 40 sub-compact without having fired one first. I went by my research, and everything seemed quite appealing about it. I was not disappointed. It is small, powerful, accurate, user friendly, and a quality weapon all around. It serves it’s purpose and is moderately priced. A good choice from any vantage point. I recommend it highly.

Shellback
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I like both my M&P .45, and my SA XD .45 They are both excellent and well balanced offering superior and reliable performance. I’ve fired hundreds of rds through both and have only had a couple of FTE probs with the M&P and that was when it was pretty grimy after being out in the bush for days. Although I like them both – But I’ll be sticking to my Kimber TLE-1911 for the heavy lifting.

Shellback
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I like both my M&P .45, and my SA XD .45 They are both excellent and well balanced offering superior and reliable performance. I’ve fired hundreds of rds through both and have only had a couple of FTE probs with the M&P and that was when it was pretty grimy after being out in the bush for days. Although I like them both – I’ll be sticking to my Kimber TLE-1911 for the heavy lifting.

Kenny
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I own the M&P and I must confess I love it.It just feels like it belongs in your hand I use the big backstrap.
I have had no malfunctions or jams,it shoots great, I have no complaints with grouping of shots if I use cheap or quality ammo I realy dont think it makes a noticable difference. My friend has a XD and yes it has a bit of a snap and it takes a little longer to re-aquire your target not much at steak at the range but for home defence I know that I would prefer to double tap someone as quick as possible and not have to take the extra second or two re-aquiring.The grip on the XD is also an aquired taste I found that it took a bit to get used it. Did I mention that even my wife with her smaller hands prefers the feel of the M&P when she shoots it,and she shoots it well (dont tell her I said that).It all boils down to personal preferance and I know which one I would have

Grampa Looney
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The negatives about the XD SubCompact .40… Very long trigger pull which then leads to a very sore trigger finger if you do a lot of shooting. I’m told that Springfield Armory will improve this trigger problem for about $300. Too expensive for me… I just won’t shoot it very much. Everything else about the gun is excellent, but the trigger would stop me from ever purchasing another one.

JMA
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I own a sub XD40 and I love it. Of all my firearms I carry this one the most off duty as I like it better then my duty weapon which is a Glock 22 (good weapon but I like the XD better). My past agency (Washington State) I worked for issued S&W M&P 45ACPs which felt good but malfunctioned way to much. Mostly failure to battery. We sent them back to S&W and when they came back they continued to Fail to battery. I normally would right this off as “limp wristing” but it is happening to the SWAT guys who deffinately dont have limp wrist. Just my observation for both weapons. I just wish I could carry a XD on duty.

CMPD officer
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I carry the M&P 40 on duty every day at work. I love this gun. I had my Glock 27 stolen out of my truck a few weeks ago and now have the opportunity to buy a new pistol. I have given this a lot of thought. Do I buy another Glock 27 or do I buy a different off duty gun? I am going with the M&P 40C simply because I shoot the full size version and it is a dream to shoot. Now I can have a sub compact version as my conceal carry gun and have the same feel and trigger characteristics as my duty weapon. The only thing that I will change is to get full size magazines and put a sleeve on them for the extra rounds. The Glock is a fine weapon, however, the M&P can do everything that the Glock does and I can change the grip to customize the feel for ME.

Bryanwhitehvac
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the m& p is more user friendly due to ablity of the 3 gripz sold with the gun, I have both and would recommend either of them compared to the aukwardness of the glocks. The spring feild gives you more with the price though, coming with the holster,loader and the clip carriers all with the case, If Ihad to do it all over again i would buy the springfeild first and then the M&P, but I would definently get them both because two is always better then one!!!

Also any springfeild you get also comes with the assesories above, where as all other guns only come with one x-tra clip and the case., I am a newly converted springfield fan and love all my wounderfull guns from sprinfield; 9mmsubcmpact,40 cal full size, & 45 acp.
Oh never buy any smith and wesson sigma’s cause although they are cheap, they are the worst gun that i have ever fired!!!(the trigger takes a inch to release the firing pin and you have to release it another inch to fire the next round,awfull!! save your money and get a M& P!

Tim N
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I own both but due to the fact I had slide locking problems with rounds still in the mag with the XD 40 several times with multiple mags and sent it back to springfield and still have slide lock problems after it returned back from repair the M&P is my primary gun now due to lack of confidence in the XD. Always spend money on nothing but good ammo and I am very upset with my experience with springfield, I told them my concern and they think your life is worth only the value of an RMA # the M&P has had over 1000 flawless rounds through it it is a very reliable good shooting gun.

XD guy
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The first XD I picked up was a subcompact .40. It felded good but I wasn’t sure about the grip safety. I owned a S.M. Sigma 40 at the time. For me It was a good gun to shoot. It was very acurate and was easy to carry. Time went on, and I started to notice that the weaver mount was staring to warp. This kind of put me off from the sigma.
So I went looking for a new gun. At the local gun shop I picked up Glocks. Right then and there I decided not to get one. I’m good freinds with the shopp owner. He let me take it apart, and it came apart like the sigma. I don’t like how the Glock or a Sigma are field stripped. I could squeze the magazine together with my thumb and fore finger. I thought that it was made cheap. Looking at the trigger assembly the slide rested on some plastic and some metal. I didn’t like that at all. Plus them little ketches on the side of a Glock used for field stripping, was hard for me to get a hold of just like the Sigma. The Glock felt in my hand was strange, and also I did’nt like the sight picture.
But at the time I was looking, it was about closing time, and the shopp owner wanted to go shooting. He had just got a new Smith and Wesson M and P .40 cal, and swore by the new gun. He invited me to try it out, so we went to the range. The gun failed 2 times out of a box of 50, He swore that he had shot at least 300 rounds through it with out a falure. He told me it field stripped like a glock, and he showed me how easy it was. He let me shoot about a hundred more arounds through it, with out any more failures.
So I went home and thought about it for some time. And I did read every thing I could about the M and P on the internet. I decided on the M and P, and went back to order one. Mike pulled out a XD .40. I picked it up, and took it apart with out any help from the user manual. I squezed the magazine well as hard as I could, and it didn’t move at all. Then I looked at the trigger assemble, to me it looked like they made the plolymer part around the metal slide rales, fire pen assembley, and trigger cam. The gun looked like a well made firearm. At the shopp the owner showed me all of the magazine articles about the XD. I was sold, it feld good, and it was well made. I paid for it, and got about 300 rounds for it. Mike the who owned the shopp went with me with 150 more rounds to the range. We cleaned the XD before went to the range, since it was a new gun. Then we pured all 450 rounds through the weapon, without any jamms, stove pipes, or fail to fire rounds.
The weapon is fast. At 25 yards the gun hit the target in the ten range. I would stake my life on this weapon. A great gun for the money!

Turbotype87
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In my experiences with both of these pistols,I can say that i much prefer the S.A. Over the smith7wesson.

ProudXDowner
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I am not the author of this forum, but i would like to thank everyone for the insight. I was between a rock and a hard place between a MP40C and a SA XD40sub. Although I didn’t like the small grip on the sub, the extended mag makes it much more worth it. I don’t like the feeling of the M&P40, and although it is american made, the XD doesn’t jam compared to the M&P. Since, I have purchased a SA XD 40sub, and love it. Much more reliable then my previous Glock G22…thanks for all the information

Gorriek
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Per your “handy chart” where did you get your prices from I have never seen a M&P 40 or 9mm that expensive and why did you not compare the XD against the M&P40c. I prefer the M&P and now own 4 of them I sold my XD40 as the recoil felt in the two guns is a lot less in the M&P due to a lower barrel and it is quicker to get your second shot back on target IMHO

Three Bears
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Bought the XD subcompact a while back. Took it to the range and rented a MP40C that was supposedly “sighted in”. 150 rounds later the XD sub was the clear winner. With the extended 12 round mag, the XD fired tighter groups right out of the box. I’m usually a 1911 guy (Commander) and like the feel in my hand. The XD with the 12rd mag was very comfortable and “startle” draws from concealed carry were fast, easy and accurate. The only change I made is I bought a Blackhawk SERPA combo holster and adjusted the retention to my liking. The 40 cal XD subcompact will be my new daily carry weapon. I love my 1911, but it is like wearing a cinder block on your hip all day.

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[...] Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact .40 vs. Smith & Wesson M&P .40 … Jul 24, 2006 … Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact .40, Smith & Wesson M&P .40. Capacity. 9+1. 15 +1. Barrel Length … [...]

Tkyle23
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I think if you use a full size pistol as a duty weapon, you should use a compact version as off duty. Just for familiarity.

C3cvte
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I own the .40 M&P Compact. Since when this original post was posted the compact didnt exist the author was comparing the XD compact against a M&P fullsize. Apples and oranges. When buying mycompact  M&P I compared it to thecompact XDM .40. Really apples to apples. The main reason for purchasing the M&P was because of the quality of build. Also they have the Military and Law Enforcment discount program. I use it mainly as a CCW. I installed the large back straps (included) and installed Trijicon XD night sights. I have fired 500+ rounds with ZERO misfires. The XDM was a close second in my mind but didnt care for the grip safty feature. this mandates that the grip safty be fully depressed to charge the weapon. This is not ideal in a tactical situation where the shooter may be disabled and have to charge the weapon unconventually. The M&P does not have this issue. However the XDM does have front serrations in the slide for easy charging where the M&P does not. The XDM is manufactured in the city of Karlovac, Croatia by HS Produkt (formerly I.M. Metal), and marketed by Springfield Arms. The M&P is American made.

My conclusions:
M&P- the M&P with the Trijicon HD Night Sights is a superior weapon. Made in America. Less expensive ( Military and LE program). Better designed for a tactical situation. highly accurate. Used my hundreds of Law Enforcement agencys. I would gladly use this weapon as my sidearm in Baghdad again. 
XDM- The XDM is a foreign made accurate well built gun.

M Dondie
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My second pistol I bought was a S/A 40 subcompact(my first was a Lorcin .380,OK I was young and didn’t have much dough). I loved my sub. They shoot great and are well made.I have big hands and the short may made it hard to hold comfortably but great for concealment. I’ve never shot an M&P(my wife carries a S&W Body guard .380). 6 months ago I had an opportunity to trade my sub in for a Springfield EMP. I love this gun. It was worth the extra money. I’m not trying sell anyone on it but talk about performance and accuracy this is by far the best small size pistol I’ve ever shot or full-size for that matter.If I didn’t own one I’d take the XDsub back in a heartbeat.

CasperSays
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I own a S&W M&P .40 Compact and it blows any other 3.5” compact .40 away.  Sights are beautiful, Recoil is percise, and it even feels good in your hand; which is something to mention when other brands are put into contrast… (Cough* G27) Save up $45.00 more and get the brand that invented the .40 S&W round, oh yeah; Made in America.

IQextremer
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xd pistol is a brick much heavier than MP. enough said

Superslugger22
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i own the m&p .40 cal its an awesome gun easy to shoot has a lot of power and not a lot of recoil.  i think its light weight compared to other guns and its super durable. resale value on them are high and i deffinetly like the round capacity when your shooting targets it feels like it never ends on one clip.

Penfist
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I’ll be doing a video review of M&P 40 caliber pistol here on this site in December, 2012.

Bill7975
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Well to be honest I couldn’t shoot the S/A until I changed out the guide rod. Before the change out I would always shoot low left, Jerking the gun even when trying not to. After the guide rod at 25 yards I can hold a group the size a 50cent piece.
Personally if I had to do it all over again I’d stay away from this type firearm.

FL571
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M&P COMPACT 40 CAL IS JAMMING WITH CERTAIN FMJ AMMO

tjw2288
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The PD I work for will be switching from the Glock model 22 to the the S&W m&p.  No one I know has any experience with this weapon.  Any thoughts on the ease or difficulty of transition?

Penfist
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Should be an easy transition – the Glock and the S&W don’t feel that different.

pasquale51
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Why not compare the xd subcompact to the M&P 40 compact or the M&P shield; then you could see the difference in carry aspects with compacts. I am considering the shield. Just feels right in my hand and I’m a big guy. The 40 compact feels good also. Thanks

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