Comments on: Ten crimes that aren’t http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/ scribblings from a deist transhumanist libertarian minarchist citizen soldier Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:44:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: trevorsnyder http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/comment-page-1/#comment-249171 trevorsnyder Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:36:13 +0000 http://willtoexist.com/2006/02/ten-crimes-that-arent#comment-249171 Are we really shareholders? I for one do not feel like a shareholder. I feel more like an oppressed minority forced to pay for a system with which I have deep rooted moral issues. It's not an evil system, on the face of things, but it certainly needs a lot of change to be considered a good system. Are we really shareholders? I for one do not feel like a shareholder. I feel more like an oppressed minority forced to pay for a system with which I have deep rooted moral issues. It's not an evil system, on the face of things, but it certainly needs a lot of change to be considered a good system.

]]> By: mad http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/comment-page-1/#comment-249169 mad Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:29:38 +0000 http://willtoexist.com/2006/02/ten-crimes-that-arent#comment-249169 don't forget the rescue and care costs communities and tax-payers are forced to pay when someone is dumb enough to ride without a helmet and crashes, drives without a seatbelt and crashes, uses drugs and overdoses, or goes hiking and gets lost if you're going to be stupid there should be a law that protects me from paying for it don't forget the rescue and care costs communities and tax-payers are forced to pay when someone is dumb enough to ride without a helmet and crashes, drives without a seatbelt and crashes, uses drugs and overdoses, or goes hiking and gets lost
if you're going to be stupid there should be a law that protects me from paying for it

]]> By: athensguy http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/comment-page-1/#comment-249166 athensguy Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:54:57 +0000 http://willtoexist.com/2006/02/ten-crimes-that-arent#comment-249166 While I am not a Libertarian, I am a civil libertarian. I do agree with 7.5 of 10 of these. I do not agree at all with #5. Of course, I find that capitalism leads to a few rich people and a bunch of poor serfs that couldn't afford medical care anyway, so that would be a moot point in a pure Libertarian society. #6 -- Poor serfs, and 90%+ couldn't afford an education without subsidies. #7 -- Speeding laws are nothing but vile revenue generators. However, I don't particularly have a problem with rules of the road such as stop signs and lights, yield signs, no parking signs, and other warning signs. If you are in the left lane, you should get out of the way. While I am not a Libertarian, I am a civil libertarian. I do agree with 7.5 of 10 of these.

I do not agree at all with #5. Of course, I find that capitalism leads to a few rich people and a bunch of poor serfs that couldn’t afford medical care anyway, so that would be a moot point in a pure Libertarian society.

#6 — Poor serfs, and 90%+ couldn’t afford an education without subsidies.

#7 — Speeding laws are nothing but vile revenue generators. However, I don’t particularly have a problem with rules of the road such as stop signs and lights, yield signs, no parking signs, and other warning signs. If you are in the left lane, you should get out of the way.

]]> By: @swamijie http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/comment-page-1/#comment-249145 @swamijie Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:41:55 +0000 http://willtoexist.com/2006/02/ten-crimes-that-arent#comment-249145 As far as the government being a monopoly concerned, the difference is, in this particular case, the US government monopoly is a monopoly in which we are all shareholders, so to speak, i.e. we citizens make up that monopoly, therefore have the right and the power to institute and change the rules as we see fit. None of us are a country unto ourselves, unless you opt to become a stateless individual, and that can and should be done if you don't want to be subject to laws of any country; however, make no mistake about it, should you withdraw citizenship and become a stateless individual, while you are still subject to international law, many of the protections and guarantees you receive as a US citizen are also withdrawn. My point is, if you take the libertarian viewpoint that laws should protect the individual from harm or tort, than that should include any monopoly and government (i. e. collective citizenry through our elected representatives) is the only mechanism through which that can be achieved as the power of the consumer is nullified in the monopoly situation. BTW, protection from government harm and tort is written into US law, including the US Constitution (e.g. 1st amendment right of redress clause) As far as freedom of choice is concerned, while freedom of choice is a fundamental freedom from harm is also a fundamental right; while I don't believe government has the right to protect me from my own actions I do believe government ought to protect me from someone else's "freedom" that might harm me As far as the government being a monopoly concerned, the difference is, in this particular case, the US government monopoly is a monopoly in which we are all shareholders, so to speak, i.e. we citizens make up that monopoly, therefore have the right and the power to institute and change the rules as we see fit. None of us are a country unto ourselves, unless you opt to become a stateless individual, and that can and should be done if you don't want to be subject to laws of any country; however, make no mistake about it, should you withdraw citizenship and become a stateless individual, while you are still subject to international law, many of the protections and guarantees you receive as a US citizen are also withdrawn. My point is, if you take the libertarian viewpoint that laws should protect the individual from harm or tort, than that should include any monopoly and government (i. e. collective citizenry through our elected representatives) is the only mechanism through which that can be achieved as the power of the consumer is nullified in the monopoly situation. BTW, protection from government harm and tort is written into US law, including the US Constitution (e.g. 1st amendment right of redress clause)
As far as freedom of choice is concerned, while freedom of choice is a fundamental freedom from harm is also a fundamental right; while I don't believe government has the right to protect me from my own actions I do believe government ought to protect me from someone else's "freedom" that might harm me

]]> By: trevorsnyder http://willtoexist.com/ten-crimes-that-arent_460/comment-page-1/#comment-249144 trevorsnyder Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:44:01 +0000 http://willtoexist.com/2006/02/ten-crimes-that-arent#comment-249144 I think you're being a little dramatic and assuming that I wouldn't hire someone else to do the checking if government didn't insist on having a certification monopoly in regards to various service sectors like health care. There is no perfect system and there are lots of dishonest doctors under the current system. Many of them defraud Medicare because it is so easy. I think you're being a little dramatic and assuming that I wouldn't hire someone else to do the checking if government didn't insist on having a certification monopoly in regards to various service sectors like health care. There is no perfect system and there are lots of dishonest doctors under the current system. Many of them defraud Medicare because it is so easy.

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