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The continued unpopularity of cryonics

I am a cryonics adherent, since it is the best chance I know of to return from the dead. My personal experience with open discussion of my arrangements to be frozen when I die, instead of buried or burned, is that it makes most people slightly uncomfortable. Many of them feel the need to condemn, dismiss or at least display incredulity. Most people fear anything that doesn’t fit into what they have been taught.

Aschwin de Wolf has written an article called Why is cryonics so unpopular? wherein he speculates that perhaps it is the very fact of thinking about one’s own mortality makes most people so uncomfortable that keeps the rolls of those signed up to be cryogenically preserved so low. He speculates other reasons as well:

In his 1998 essay “The Failure of the Cryonics Movement” (part 1, part 2), Saul Kent stresses that cryonics has remained so unpopular because nobody thinks it will work. One observable implication of this view is that we would expect to see broader acceptance of cryonics as its technical feasibility increases. Unfortunately, there is not much evidence that this is the case. During its existence a number of research and technical breakthroughs have been achieved in areas such as normothermic and hypothermic resuscitation, cryopreservation, and long term care, that should strengthen the case that cryonics will work. In particular, the change from conventional cryopreservation to vitrification should have appealed to critics who questioned whether the neurological basis of identity can survive freezing. But the transition to vitrification did not have any noticeable effects on membership growth at Alcor, or later at the Cryonics Institute. In 2007, researchers at 21st Century Medicine announced that they were able to observe long-term potentiation (LTP) in vitrified brain slices, further supporting the claim that current cryonics procedures should be able to preserve the physical basis of memory.

De Wolf makes a great point in noting that terminally ill people are often willing to undergo experimental treatments, sometimes of very dubious nature, in order to extend their lifespans, or just in hopes of doing so. If people saw cryonics as an experimental treatment for extending life, maybe they would react differently to the idea.

Meanwhile, I figure being frozen is better than being burned up or rotting in the ground.

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  • Cryonics may have also failed to catch on because it arose in the context of certain beliefs about progress and "the future" that have fallen into discredit now. Lately we've seen a hobby called something like "paleo-futurism" which draws attention to predictions about life in the 21st Century (like that far-future year 2010) that sound absurd now. Refer, for example, to Daniel H. Wilson's book "Where's My Jetpack?" and Nick Sagan's "You Call This the Future?" In the 1980's cryonicists latched onto Eric Drexler's ideas about nanotechnology as the solution for our problems; but after 20 years of reality testing by mainstream scientists and technologists, Drexler's reputation has likewise fallen into paleo-future and pseudo-science territory. That leaves cryonics in an awkward position, looking increasingly like a holdover from an era which promoted scenarios about "the future" that have increasingly diverged from the reality.
  • On the other hand, Mark, there is no viable alternative to cryonics for those of us who want to continuing to exist as long as is possible.

    To me, cryonics is a calculated risk with no real down side. I know of no futurist who has been 100% accurate. I don't count Nostradamus, because while he is the most famous among "prophets" he is also one of the vaguest.

    So Drexler is out. Where should transhumanist futurists look next?
  • Cryonics may have also failed to catch on because it arose in the context of certain beliefs about progress and "the future" that have fallen into discredit now. Lately we've seen a hobby called something like "paleo-futurism" which draws attention to predictions about life in the 21st Century (like that far-future year 2010) that sound absurd now. Refer, for example, to Daniel H. Wilson's book "Where's My Jetpack?" and Nick Sagan's "You Call This the Future?" In the 1980's cryonicists latched onto Eric Drexler's ideas about nanotechnology as the solution for our problems; but after 20 years of reality testing by mainstream scientists and technologists, Drexler's reputation has fallen into paleo-future and pseudo-science territory.
  • I was here.
  • My faith leads me to believe that the resurrection promised to all mankind will reunite you with your body in its perfected state. That would make the deep freeze option moot.
  • I don't see how a god solves anything. A god could, without logical contradiction, have created human life without any meaning, purpose, hope or afterlife.
  • I certainly would not suggest that there is a divine being interfering in human affairs. I see no evidence to make me think there is.

    You make a salient point. However, most humans, including myself, want to believe that we are created and are here for some reason or purpose.

    From what I have observed, many people seem to need God with a capital G and the various guidebooks attributed to God in order to maintain a comfortable and happy existence.
  • TF, It's interesting that some of the cryonicists I know are also Christians. You are a member of the Mormon church if I am not mistaken. While I am a deist, and therefore believe the universe is created, I try to avoid arguing religion. God is personal.


    I try to respect the faith of my friends and neighbors and hope that they will respect my own personal choices regarding life and death.


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