CNLP 511: Rich Villodas on the new exodus in church attendance, why pastors continue to fail, and the next generation of pastors and churchgoers

Author and New Life Church pastor Rich Villodas returns to the podcast to talk about the three waves of people leaving the church, why pastors keep failing, what Gen Z and baby boomers expect from a church and why they don’t fit, the next generation of pastors, and how stress affects the body, heart and spirit.

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He gets us

By now you may have seen an ad or heard of He gets usthe national advertising campaign that changes perceptions of Jesus.

If you are wondering:

  1. What is it about?
  2. Is this a good thing?
  3. Or, how can I get involved?

…I’m here to tell you that I’ve never seen a campaign like this.

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What really makes this different is how the people responding to the campaign are connected to local churches. And with early success like 31 million YouTube views, 600,000 social media interactions, PLUS almost half a million people visiting the He Gets Us website, you’re going to want to hook up your church ASAP.

When you sign up to become a church partner at, you will have:

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  2. Bible studies and conversation guides
  3. And…information on how YOUR CHURCH can connect with people who respond

There are literally millions of people looking for answers like your church has to offer. Go to and get your church involved today.

Convoy of Hope

Our friends from Convoy of Hope help the victims of the war in Ukraine, and you can too.

To date, Convoy of Hope has:

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Moral man, immoral society by Reinhold Niebuhr

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